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Old 13th January 2020, 01:17   #21

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Ive read a few websites that say as long as your windows is valid, the install wont ask for a product key, im really not sure what to, i just want to install it for free, i AM gonna get the home version that go's without question, now, when i go into my computers system it says WINDOWS is activated, so im not using an illegal anything. Like i said, i got my computer at a store, i paid 150$ for it, while yes it was used and upgraded it wasn't like i got it from the back of a truck in an alley, I have 1 question, can i get windows 10 HOME for free, legally without entering a product key? yes or no? I have no problem if i do get asked for a product key to type in the one i have, but for whatever reason, it says windows vista, which again i do NOT have, i have windows 7 HOME premium,
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even if its bad news just if you can help me with my question before i go to install it, just so i know what to expect
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If you have a valid Win7 license, use that to activate 10. Otherwise follow the steps I mentioned in my previous post, in order to legally activate Win10.
With those steps I mentioned, you will be able to install and activate a legal copy of Win10 Home just fine.
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All I know is that there are still businesses, as well public services, who are still using either 7 or even XP (mostly hospitals and police departments) with no problems.
I do know that. I used to teach at an insurance company that had thousands of computers and employees. They used some software which was written for them and weren't about to spend a bunch of money to upgrade the OS and re-write that software. So they wound up paying MS to continue using their present OS. I don't remember how much that was (if I ever knew it) but it wasn't real cheap.

From what I understand, for a small business wanting to keep Win 7 they're going to spend around $25 (monthly or annually, I forget) per machine to keep updating Win 7. I'm sure its less depending on how many machines are involved.

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But, honestly, if you have a good AV software, there shouldn't be any problems, as long as you stay away from fishy websites.
You bring up the correct question; how to stay away from "fishy websites". A brief story.

Many years ago now I was talking with a friend who had a small business and he'd just put a website up for it (it wasn't a porn or "fishy" site, he serviced large machines worldwide). We took a look at it on my computer and, luckily, I was running NoScript. I took a look at the scripts being run and I think there were two or three. He knew of one but not the others so he called his web guy. That guy took a look and he hadn't put them there. A while later he told me the illegal script(s) got in because the webmaster didn't take security seriously enough and that the scripts were relatively harmless (for that time). Current scripts can be much more malicious.

So how do you know which sites are "fishy"? As far as I'm concerned you treat them all as potentially having malicious content.

So, since Win 7 will no longer be updated for serious security vulnerabilities, probably best to just cut it off from the internet (unless you want to pay MS to update it). So, from tomorrow on, Win 7 loses its network stacks and never touches the net again. Linux handles all the internet traffic.
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The Pro version, along with the Enterprise one, it's the only version that allows you to block automatic updates. So I would definitely get that.
I hadn't heard you could finally block updates. Would you have a link for that? I'd really like to see that as it really is a big deal.

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The problem I have with 10, though, it's not so much about the new style and everything. But rather the fact that whenever an important system update show up, sometimes you have to reinstall it from scratch, due to errors and new bugs.
Upgrading from 1809 to 1903 caused a lot of problems for certain users that required a complete reinstall of Win10 (I saw it first hand with some of my relatives/colleagues PCs).
And with the new Spring update that should come out this April, i'm sure there would be other problems around the corner.
We'll see if finally Microsoft fixes this buggy OS for good.
Agree 100%. Back when still beta testing Win 10 a bunch of us told MS, when they announced the release date, that it was no where near ready for the general public. Does anyone think they listened to us peons??

Nope! Its not as buggy as it once was but there are still big problems (see Fast Start if you dual boot).
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Well so far i have researched how to make windows 10 look and resemble win7,disable something called Cortina, get rid of tiles, make the view'classic' thats gonna be the absolute first thing i do after i get it. Do you mind answering something i posted in another thread?...
im gonna use the free upgrade option using the media creation tool, im just confused at something, it said that if i get asked to enter a product key it should be on a sticker on my computer, so i looked and yes i have that, clear and not ripped, but its for windows vista home premium. My computer is windows 7 home premium, ive NEVER had windows vista all i can think of maybe the previous owner did? I did buy my computer upgraded and used years ago, so if i get asked to enter a product key should i run into any problems? Again im gonna upgrade from windows 7 home to windows 10 home, i dont need to the business/enterprise one, since im 1 person on a home computer. Any help to my question is appreciated as i really only have 48 hours to get it
Have to agree with SynchroDub in that you can't upgrade to 10 from Vista. So you either pay, stay with 7 and install Linux to let that access the web.

I'm still not sure of your computer abilities so let me ask you this; are you comfortable repartitioning a drive and then reinstalling an OS and apps?

Try what I do. Use Win 7 for the things you need (I still have 3 apps which must be used in Win) and Linux for everything else.

I use Linux Mint Cinnamon. Its free and very similar to Win 7. Very easy to learn and you can download and play with a Live version. You need a pretty large partition for it (mine is 100 Gb) and its easier to install and use than Win.

Personally, if I didn't have to use those three apps, I'd get rid of Win and just use Linux.
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Use Win 7 for the things you need (I still have 3 apps which must be used in Win) and Linux for everything else.

I use Linux Mint Cinnamon. Its free and very similar to Win 7. Very easy to learn and you can download and play with a Live version. You need a pretty large partition for it (mine is 100 Gb) and its easier to install and use than Win.

Personally, if I didn't have to use those three apps, I'd get rid of Win and just use Linux.
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I've been using windows since w95 or even earlier, but when microsoft released w10 and I started reading news about the continuous failures of this new OS, constant updates which more than solve problems, create twice as much and the violation of privacy in this new version, I decided to search for new alternatives and I started to test Linux. Since then, I've been using linux on my computer, as my main operating system, and w7 is installed only to use some applications that I can't use on linux.

If I were told to go back to windows now, my answer would be a resounding NO, I don't change linux and much less for a spyware os like w10, because even microsoft doesn't know what to do anymore so that people end up migrating to her new os since even by offering it for free, they are not able to convince users.

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I hadn't heard you could finally block updates. Would you have a link for that? I'd really like to see that as it really is a big deal.



Agree 100%. Back when still beta testing Win 10 a bunch of us told MS, when they announced the release date, that it was no where near ready for the general public. Does anyone think they listened to us peons??

Nope! Its not as buggy as it once was but there are still big problems (see Fast Start if you dual boot).
It's very easy.
If you're running Win10 Pro:
Type in the search tab services.msc. Scroll down to the Windows Update entry > select it and from the Startup Type select Disabled.
If it's still running in the background, terminate the process and restart the computer.
From now on, you shouldn't receive any updates notifications. Though, when there are important security updates, I recommend re-enable Windows Update to download the updates and then you repeat the same process to turn it back off.
Enterprise users also have an option to let Admins select which updates should be installed and which not. At least that's what I saw on our company's computer.
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Ive read a few websites that say as long as your windows is valid, the install wont ask for a product key, im really not sure what to, i just want to install it for free, i AM gonna get the home version that go's without question, now, when i go into my computers system it says WINDOWS is activated, so im not using an illegal anything.
Whatever tech installed 7 had a legal copy of the OS so your copy is activated and legal. But, apparently, wherever you bought the computer from didn't give you a copy of that OS (or could it be on a hidden partition?). You might want to go back and ask them about this if they're still around.

Vista cannot be upgraded to 10 (MS won't allow it) so you need that Win 7 DVD or the Key from the hidden partition (which probably doesn't exist).

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I have 1 question, can i get windows 10 HOME for free, legally without entering a product key? yes or no?
To my knowledge (and I've installed Win 10 on six or seven machines recently) probably not, you can't unless you have a Win 7 product key. But there might be a way IF you haven't already installed 10.

Not sure if this will work for you but here goes. MS is now doing things differently than what they used to. With Win 7 and previous, in general, you bought a CD or DVD and then installed the OS. When you got online the OS would check in with MS to make sure it was a legal copy. If there were no problems then your copy of Win was activated. Thats the way it used to be.

My understanding is that this procedure had changed with 10. Now, depending on how you install 10, once installed, 10 looks around and takes a snapshot of its environment. What mobo, vid card, hd's, etc., etc. So if something happens (a HD crash for instance) you can reinstall 10 with not many problems. When reinstalled Win 10 takes another look around and sees the only thing different is the new HD. So it then activates.

So if you have your original Win 7 install you want to just install Win 10 over Win 7 and make sure it activates. But for us techs this isn't a good install. A good install (at least for me) means repartitioning and then reinstalling. Cleaner, should be fewer problems as the old OS can't lurk around to introduce problems. So, with this first install, Win 10 gets installed, looks around to take the snapshot and then activates.

But then, because the first install is no good, you need to do it again from scratch. Meaning doing a clean install. And from what I've seen this mostly works but not always. Sometimes after the second install 10 likes what it sees and activates while other times it looks around and doesn't like what it sees so it won't activate (even if nothing but the OS has changed).

Confusing I know but that seems to be whats happening.

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I have no problem if i do get asked for a product key to type in the one i have, but for whatever reason, it says windows vista, which again i do NOT have, i have windows 7 HOME premium,
During the 10 install you come to a point where it asks for a product key which you can provide now or later. If you provide one later I think thats when it looks around at the environment. Eventually, you will have to provide a legal product key.

The reason you're seeing a Vista number is that its probably stored in the BIOS or a chip (if I remember correctly). Not sure if that can be changed. And since its a Vista Key it won't upgrade.

Sorry, if you want to complain, yell at MS. Although I wouldn't expect they'll care. They never have.

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This machine should run 10 although it will be a bit slow. If you can, I'd stick at least 4 more Gigs of RAM in it. You'd be much happier.

Which Dell line do you have? If you have a business class machine (Latitude or Optiplex) you might be able to find someone around you that has a Win 7 DVD for Dells. But I think you're out of time for that.

If you really don't want to spend any money then give Linux Mint a try. It really works well and doesn't take much to relearn as its so similar to Win 7.
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I've been using windows since w95 or even earlier, but when microsoft released w10 and I started reading news about the continuous failures of this new OS, constant updates which more than solve problems, create twice as much and the violation of privacy in this new version, I decided to search for new alternatives and I started to test Linux. Since then, I've been using linux on my computer, as my main operating system, and w7 is installed only to use some applications that I can't use on linux.

If I were told to go back to windows now, my answer would be a resounding NO, I don't change linux and much less for a spyware os like w10, because even microsoft doesn't know what to do anymore so that people end up migrating to her new os since even by offering it for free, they are not able to convince users.

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No problem for my Desktop PC. It does support Win10. But I will probably do a dual-boot 7 + 10, since 7, for gaming, it's still very stable.
But, since I also have an old Sony Vaio laptop with an AMD Radeon 5650M GPU that's not fully supported in Win10, that I still use for work purposes, I will just use Windows 7 on that machine, for gaming, video editing and other things. And I will just use my old 17" Core i5 Macbook Pro with MacOS for web surfing and general things.
I haven't used Linux in awhile, so I don't remember most of the configuration stuff that you do in Terminal. Otherwise I would've also used Linux.
So, for me, MacOS it's more than enough.
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